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Please can I remind everyone to leave this article alone as I am working on it. Slowly but I'm getting there. Thankyou! - MJ | Please can I remind everyone to leave this article alone as I am working on it. Slowly but I'm getting there. Thankyou! - MJ | ||
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| + | == Comments == | ||
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| + | ===Prelude=== | ||
| + | *''The peace in the galaxy was fragile and a single misdoing could mean destruction for all.'' | ||
| + | ::This isn't explained. Why were things so tense? Would a solitary slip-up really mean all-out war? If that's the case why is everyone making friends ''before'' the Borg show up? | ||
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| + | *''Starfleet also took the approach to make more combat oriented classes, which including high production of the ever successful [[Sovereign Class|''Sovereign'']] and [[Akira Class|''Akira'']] class [[Starships|starships]]. [[Intrepid Class|''Intrepid'']], [[Explorer Class|''Explorer'']], and [[Nova Class|''Nova'']] class ships were built to take over the role as primary explorers for Starfleet while production of [[Defiant Class|''Defiant'']], [[Saber Class|''Saber'']], [[Norway Class|''Norway'']] and [[Steamrunner Class|''Steamrunner'']] class vessels were increased at every construction facility. Starfleet also took this time to return to its roots in exploration, encountering several new races.'' | ||
| + | ::This seems highly contradictory. The Sovvy, Akira, Defiant, Saber and Steamrunner classes are all built for combat. Did Starfleet return to its roots and re-explore or did they build a Fleet of warships? | ||
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| + | *''Several conflicts did erupt between the Romulans and the [[Tholian Assembly]] over claimed space, however these were resolved.'' | ||
| + | ::How? Did the Romulans fight them off or did they lose territory because their fleet wasn't big enough? If you're going to mention them, you should really explain them. | ||
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| + | *''The Grand Nagus was quite aware of the horrors of war, and didn’t want his leadership to appear to others as powerless so like many other governments, military spending was increased.'' | ||
| + | ::He saw the horrors of war, and so acted as if one was coming? But he acted this way only for show? Also, | ||
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| + | *''Many Ferengi, both male and female saw the profit in serving in the armed forces and were eager to join.'' | ||
| + | ::What profit? It could do with some mention of tax breaks or something. Base "joining the army" doesn't seem particularly profitable. ''Selling'' to the army perhaps, but not joining. | ||
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| + | *''The [[Cardassians]] had also found their ancestral links of art, religion, scientific discovery and peaceful existence with others.'' | ||
| + | ::I just don't get this. Did they find common traits with other species, did other species help them find lost art, did they convert to Prophetism? I don't understand. Also, not much of what I've read indicates the Cardassians are a naturally peaceful people. | ||
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| + | ===New Beginnings=== | ||
| + | *''There wasn’t a part of the Milky Way were at least one Starfleet ship was passing the “Federation Gospel�? to new races or to old acquaintances.'' | ||
| + | ::This I truly don't understand. One day it takes 80 years to cross half the galaxy, then in 2380 Starfleet is all over the place? How was this miracle achieved? | ||
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| + | *''Chancellor Martok saw the possibilities of peace with the once-hated foe, as well as the inherent dishonor if he didn't accept.'' | ||
| + | ::This, I think is a leftover from Bremer. Where is the dishonour in not accepting an invitation to a peaceful meeting with an enemy? Klingons (unless I'm very much mistaken) don't particularly ''want'' peace. Kahless Himself said "there is no victory without combat" and many within the Empire were said by Worf to believe that without expansion (through conquest) the Empire would die. | ||
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| + | ===The Allied Response=== | ||
| + | *''The Romulan Star Empire kicked their ship building back into high gear and set up a massive sensor network through their space.'' | ||
| + | ::Just like that? It would perhaps be better to say they repaired an reactivated an existing one, rather than just fabricated one out of the blue. "Massive sensor net" doesn't sound like something you can make in the garage. | ||
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| + | ===Assault on the Transwarp Hub=== | ||
| + | *''On September 2nd, the USS ''Lavigne'' with two Romulan Scouts was patrolling the former Romulan Neutral Zone. Deep within the [[Bassen Rift]] they located a new [[Borg Transwarp Hub]]. The three craft swiftly returned to Earth and reported this to Starfleet Command.'' | ||
| + | ::That seems a bit daft. Why not just give them a call? Why the need for three patrol craft to travel to Earth, leaving the border undefended? | ||
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| + | *''Seconds later, the targeted stars went nova, taking with them the Borg worlds and approximately one hundred billion drones.'' | ||
| + | ::This is changed from the original which said 41 worlds and trillions of drones. I changed it because earlier in the same section it says only six suns of known Borg worlds were targeted. This sounds more likely and assuming a mean figure of about 15bn per planet, you get about 90bn. That's assuming however, that all these worlds were fully populated. It might be that they were pretty sparce because most of the drones had left the wifey at home to work in the nanoprobe factory and gone off to fight the war. | ||
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| + | Original questions above - [[User:Chris|''the'''''Chris''']] 10:06, 19 April 2006 (EDT) | ||
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| + | ==Changes== | ||
| + | I altered some of the section titles purely for clarity's sake. If say, you want details on the invasion of Klingon Space, it's hard to find when all the contents show are lines similar to "One deep breath..." The new titles aren't as attractive perhaps, but this is an infobase article, not a story centre. | ||
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| + | I also removed the dead links that went to pages no other article referenced, unless they were something that likely will be expanded upon eventually, such as Qo'nos or Deep Space Whatever. Most of the links lost were to named planets in the original history. - [[User:Chris|''the'''''Chris''']] 10:06, 19 April 2006 (EDT) | ||
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| + | == Comments 2 == | ||
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| + | '''Kira''' | ||
| + | *''Vice Admiral [[Kira Nerys]]'' | ||
| + | ::How did Kira make it to Vice Admiral by 2388? Sisko (evidently back from the temple) is still only a Captain, Picard is only a 4-pips Adm. (I assume, given FXO position) - how did an ex-terrorist do so well within Starfleet? Sisko and we might know she's nice and all that, but Starfleet doesn't. | ||
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| + | '''DS9 Battle''' | ||
| + | *''DS9 took the brunt of the Borg assault, taken heavy damage and was boarded by several Borg drones.'' | ||
| + | ::Like, four or five? | ||
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| + | *''Kira then gave the order to abandon the station as its shields failed and its weapons were exhausted.'' | ||
| + | ::But the Borg were already beaming aboard. I thought they couldn't get through MLSS and I ''know'' if DS9 wasn't equipped with MLSS it couldn't have put up with an assault from even one Borg vessel for more than five minutes because this article says so earlier on. | ||
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| + | '''Ross''' | ||
| + | *''Fleet Admiral [[William Ross]]'' | ||
| + | ::''Fleet'' Admiral? I thought the hairpinned one was the boss. He was One of Vice, wasn't he? | ||
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| + | '''Chakotay''' | ||
| + | *''Rear Admiral [[Chakotay]]'' | ||
| + | ::Is that provisional? He was a Maquis (thus guilty of treason). Would ''you'' trust one of them? ;) | ||
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| + | Other'n that, s'good. - [[User:Chris|''the'''''Chris''']] 12:00, 19 April 2006 (EDT) | ||
Latest revision as of 14:40, 5 January 2007
This is the revised edition of FE History. No major dates have been changed, only detail and descriptions have been altered, improved, etc. This has been done by permission of Alex! Please leave alone to allow me to add links. Thankyou!
MJ
Contents |
Reminder
Please can I remind everyone to leave this article alone as I am working on it. Slowly but I'm getting there. Thankyou! - MJ
Comments
Prelude
- The peace in the galaxy was fragile and a single misdoing could mean destruction for all.
- This isn't explained. Why were things so tense? Would a solitary slip-up really mean all-out war? If that's the case why is everyone making friends before the Borg show up?
- Starfleet also took the approach to make more combat oriented classes, which including high production of the ever successful Sovereign and Akira class starships. Intrepid, Explorer, and Nova class ships were built to take over the role as primary explorers for Starfleet while production of Defiant, Saber, Norway and Steamrunner class vessels were increased at every construction facility. Starfleet also took this time to return to its roots in exploration, encountering several new races.
- This seems highly contradictory. The Sovvy, Akira, Defiant, Saber and Steamrunner classes are all built for combat. Did Starfleet return to its roots and re-explore or did they build a Fleet of warships?
- Several conflicts did erupt between the Romulans and the Tholian Assembly over claimed space, however these were resolved.
- How? Did the Romulans fight them off or did they lose territory because their fleet wasn't big enough? If you're going to mention them, you should really explain them.
- The Grand Nagus was quite aware of the horrors of war, and didn’t want his leadership to appear to others as powerless so like many other governments, military spending was increased.
- He saw the horrors of war, and so acted as if one was coming? But he acted this way only for show? Also,
- Many Ferengi, both male and female saw the profit in serving in the armed forces and were eager to join.
- What profit? It could do with some mention of tax breaks or something. Base "joining the army" doesn't seem particularly profitable. Selling to the army perhaps, but not joining.
- The Cardassians had also found their ancestral links of art, religion, scientific discovery and peaceful existence with others.
- I just don't get this. Did they find common traits with other species, did other species help them find lost art, did they convert to Prophetism? I don't understand. Also, not much of what I've read indicates the Cardassians are a naturally peaceful people.
New Beginnings
- There wasn’t a part of the Milky Way were at least one Starfleet ship was passing the “Federation Gospel�? to new races or to old acquaintances.
- This I truly don't understand. One day it takes 80 years to cross half the galaxy, then in 2380 Starfleet is all over the place? How was this miracle achieved?
- Chancellor Martok saw the possibilities of peace with the once-hated foe, as well as the inherent dishonor if he didn't accept.
- This, I think is a leftover from Bremer. Where is the dishonour in not accepting an invitation to a peaceful meeting with an enemy? Klingons (unless I'm very much mistaken) don't particularly want peace. Kahless Himself said "there is no victory without combat" and many within the Empire were said by Worf to believe that without expansion (through conquest) the Empire would die.
The Allied Response
- The Romulan Star Empire kicked their ship building back into high gear and set up a massive sensor network through their space.
- Just like that? It would perhaps be better to say they repaired an reactivated an existing one, rather than just fabricated one out of the blue. "Massive sensor net" doesn't sound like something you can make in the garage.
Assault on the Transwarp Hub
- On September 2nd, the USS Lavigne with two Romulan Scouts was patrolling the former Romulan Neutral Zone. Deep within the Bassen Rift they located a new Borg Transwarp Hub. The three craft swiftly returned to Earth and reported this to Starfleet Command.
- That seems a bit daft. Why not just give them a call? Why the need for three patrol craft to travel to Earth, leaving the border undefended?
- Seconds later, the targeted stars went nova, taking with them the Borg worlds and approximately one hundred billion drones.
- This is changed from the original which said 41 worlds and trillions of drones. I changed it because earlier in the same section it says only six suns of known Borg worlds were targeted. This sounds more likely and assuming a mean figure of about 15bn per planet, you get about 90bn. That's assuming however, that all these worlds were fully populated. It might be that they were pretty sparce because most of the drones had left the wifey at home to work in the nanoprobe factory and gone off to fight the war.
Original questions above - theChris 10:06, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
Changes
I altered some of the section titles purely for clarity's sake. If say, you want details on the invasion of Klingon Space, it's hard to find when all the contents show are lines similar to "One deep breath..." The new titles aren't as attractive perhaps, but this is an infobase article, not a story centre.
I also removed the dead links that went to pages no other article referenced, unless they were something that likely will be expanded upon eventually, such as Qo'nos or Deep Space Whatever. Most of the links lost were to named planets in the original history. - theChris 10:06, 19 April 2006 (EDT)
Comments 2
Kira
- Vice Admiral Kira Nerys
- How did Kira make it to Vice Admiral by 2388? Sisko (evidently back from the temple) is still only a Captain, Picard is only a 4-pips Adm. (I assume, given FXO position) - how did an ex-terrorist do so well within Starfleet? Sisko and we might know she's nice and all that, but Starfleet doesn't.
DS9 Battle
- DS9 took the brunt of the Borg assault, taken heavy damage and was boarded by several Borg drones.
- Like, four or five?
- Kira then gave the order to abandon the station as its shields failed and its weapons were exhausted.
- But the Borg were already beaming aboard. I thought they couldn't get through MLSS and I know if DS9 wasn't equipped with MLSS it couldn't have put up with an assault from even one Borg vessel for more than five minutes because this article says so earlier on.
Ross
- Fleet Admiral William Ross
- Fleet Admiral? I thought the hairpinned one was the boss. He was One of Vice, wasn't he?
Chakotay
- Rear Admiral Chakotay
- Is that provisional? He was a Maquis (thus guilty of treason). Would you trust one of them? ;)
Other'n that, s'good. - theChris 12:00, 19 April 2006 (EDT)